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Post by MsCali on Jul 13, 2005 0:51:38 GMT -5
Two words...Veruca Salt. Seriously, I can only really pay attention to the movie as long as she's in it. I love to sing along to her song. But once that's over, I only half-way watch it. I want to get the soundtrack though, so I can just sing along with that song as often as I want. It's a good movie - definitely worth seeing. Is it the best movie ever? No. are their parts of it that I don't really care for? Definitely. Is the Tim Burton version going to be (to quote Laslo) "sucked of all possible joy"? I'm pretty sure it is (thus the reason I hate Tim Burton movies...although, i have to admit, Big Fish was okay. I think that was just because it had Ewan and Billy Crudup in it though). But really, Johnny, it's one of those movies you should see at least once in your life. You don't have to like it, but you should see it (just for the creepy boat scene. "Daddy, I do NOT want a boat like that.") It's like Citizen Kane, or Casablanca...you should see them just to say you have. And Rhi, according to the song he sings, Willy Wonka does call his factory paradise.
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Post by flipmoot on Jul 13, 2005 2:28:14 GMT -5
I have to admit that I too have never seen Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory... Now that can be because here in Holland they usually only have these hiddious translated versions that require Johnny's yellow bucket or that can be because I chose to see Disney cartoons instead at that age. That was more my thing. Maybe I'll go see it now after reading all this. Should be one hell of a good movie that'll change my life...
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Post by Laslo Hollyfeld on Jul 13, 2005 9:12:55 GMT -5
But really, Johnny, it's one of those movies you should see at least once in your life...It's like Citizen Kane, or Casablanca...you should see them just to say you have. Hmmm... I'm not sure that I would place Willy Wonka in the same category as Citizen Kane or Casablanca. Willy Wonka fits better with other 70's kid epics such as the Scott Baio/Jodie Foster prepubescent tour de force, Bugsy Malone, or the even more recent Newsies. *shudder*
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Post by The Movie Mark on Jul 13, 2005 11:54:34 GMT -5
But really, Johnny, it's one of those movies you should see at least once in your life ... It's like Citizen Kane, or Casablanca...you should see them just to say you have. Now come on, Ms. Cali, you're the gal absolutely refusing to ever see The Terminator, Alien, or Predator. These are classics in the action and action/sci fi genres, so to have any credibility when discussing these genres you have to see at least the first movie in each of those series! *ahem* OK, time for an awesome Johnny Betts one-liner now... "Before lecturing me on movies that are a must-see, perhaps you should make sure you have all the prerequisites yourself." Ohhhhhhh, burn! Man I'm good. Johnny - 1 Ms. Cali - 0
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Post by MsCali on Jul 13, 2005 12:47:09 GMT -5
Johnny, I like your points system...it must be like golf, where the lowest points win, because Terminator, Alien, and Predator are NOT must-see movies - maybe in that specific genre, but not of all movies of all time. And since I really have no desire to see most movies in that genre (there are some notable exceptions...the rest, Mr. Cali makes me see), the aren't must see movies. Heh...and Laslo, when I was typing Citizen Kane and Casablanca I was shaking my head the whole time. I really don't equate Willy Wonka with Casablanca (maybe Citizen Kane, but only because that's the type of movie I feel people should watch just to see it and then never watch again...I know I don't ever need to see it again). I needed to come up with better titles, but yesterday I was too tired to do so. Maybe I'll rank it more with Little Mermaid or The Lion King.
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Post by The Movie Mark on Jul 13, 2005 12:59:59 GMT -5
Maybe I'll rank it more with Little Mermaid or The Lion King. So if Terminator, Alien, and Predator aren't must-see movies, then how are Little Mermaid and The Lion King "must-see" movies for guys like me who aren't interested in the "Gay Disney Movie" genre? I'll open the floor up to you because I'm interested in your definition of "must-see." I've never seen Casablanca either, and at the moment I'm not clearing my schedule to do so.
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Post by MsCali on Jul 13, 2005 13:18:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't care if you see Little Mermaid or Lion King or not. They aren't even my favorite Disney films (they aren't even really on my must see list - the only Disney films on that list are Cinderella, Mulan, and the Aristocats - none of which I expect a guy to like). Though, I think you would like The Lion King.
Casablanca is a classic for a reason. It's the type of movie that can stand the passing of time and still be just as good. It's got a storyline that can relate to any time (yes, it's a WW2 storyline about Nazis, but the overall themes of the movie translate to any time). You have espionage, romance (but not the sappy "Oh, I love you." "No, I love YOU." kind you often see), Humphrey Bogart, Peter Lorre, self sacrifice, and did I mention Nazis? I think Nazis make a movie a "must see", since I would also list the Indiana Jones films in that category (except Temple of Doom, which is the only one that doesn't have Nazis as far as I remember).
For me, there are different categories of "must see". There's films like Casablanca that are "must see" because of the reasons I gave above (with the exception of Nazis). The writing is solid, the performances by all the actors (not just the main ones) is outstanding, and there's a timeless quality to it. Arsenic and Old Lace and Harvey are other movies I put in that category (so there's no distinction between Drama and Comedy in that category). I can't think of any modern day movies I would put in there, but that's just because my brain hurts today. I'm sure there are some, and I would welcome any suggestions for that category.
Then, there are films like Citizen Kane that are "must see" just because of their history (actually, the documentary of Citizen Kane that's on the DVD is more interesting than the movie...the movie itself is actually quite boring, and I never need to watch it again, but I'm glad I watched it the one time...the story behind the movie, and the real people it is based on is incredibly facinating though). A lot of the films on AFI's top 100 films list would probably fit here (while some shouldn't be on their list at all).
There are the "must see" movies from my childhood...Willy Wonka would be in that category. E.T. would also be in that category, as would Star Wars and The Wizard of Oz (although, I could argue that Star Wars and The Wizard of Oz could fit in the first category, as the themes of both movies translate well from generation to generation). Movies that can stand the test of time, and still be good to me as an adult (or better, in the case of Willy Wonka and Wizard of Oz), but that first appealed to me as a child.
There are, of course, "must see" films for different genres of movies as well. Those are more "must see" if you happen to like that genre (for example, I love musicals, so for me Sound of Music and The King and I are must see movies. Johnny likes Sci-fi, so for him Alien and Terminator are must see movies).
And then there's the movies that are so bad, they are "must see". Anaconda is in this category for me.
So, there's my thesis on what makes a movie "must see". Next time, I will address what makes tv "must see" (oh, wait, that's NBC).
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Post by Laslo Hollyfeld on Jul 13, 2005 13:21:50 GMT -5
"Can I just say that this is the first time I've been on television?"
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Post by The Movie Mark on Jul 13, 2005 13:50:46 GMT -5
So, there's my thesis on what makes a movie "must see". Next time, I will address what makes tv "must see" (oh, wait, that's NBC). Actually, if you've seen most of the TV viewing that NBC is offering these days then they should be held for breach of contract on that "must see" promise. All right, you've cleared things up a bit with your "must see" definition, though I still think movies like Alien and The Terminator appeal to a broader audience than does Willy Wonka. I wouldn't recommend my mom see 'em, but neither would I recommend that Joe Bench Press from the football team run out and rent Willy Wonka. Here are some of my must-sees: All Ages and All Audiences:Toy Story 1 & 2 The original Star Wars trilogy The Indiana Jones Trilogy E.T. Westerns:Lonesome Dove Tombstone High Plains Drifter At least one movie from Eastwood's spaghetti Western trilogy Thrillers: Memento Frequency The Sixth Sense Seven Comedies:Ace Ventura Dumb and Dumber Happy Gilmore The Wedding Singer Tommy Boy Office Space So Bad They're Good:Troll 2 Gymkata And, of course, every true movie fan should see Dirty Harry at some point in his or her life. These are all movies I can highly recommend to someone depending on what style they're looking for. I know I have more, but these are off the top of my head.
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Post by MrShade on Jul 13, 2005 13:51:51 GMT -5
I would define a "must see" movie as one that is entertaining and has broad appeal. I would definitely put Terminator 2 on that list. I would also recommend Predator and Alien to most people because most people I know, even people with very different tastes in movies, have enjoyed them.
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Post by MrShade on Jul 13, 2005 13:59:05 GMT -5
I'd have to add Outlaw Josey Wales to the Western genre and The Naked Gun to the comedy genre.
I'd add Harry Potter to the kids movies.
If there's a spy genre I'd put Ronin in there.
Comic Book Movies Batman Begins X-men 1 & 2 Spiderman 1 & 2
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Post by MsCali on Jul 13, 2005 14:19:01 GMT -5
I can get behind most of those movies on your list, JB - except Seven, but that's just because I KNOW that would freak me out. From what I've heard, it's a good movie (I would replace it with The Usual Suspects, though that's not really a thriller). I'm not all that into most of the comedies on your list either, but that's just because those particular movies didn't appeal to me (I have seen all or parts of them though). I did like Wedding Singer and Office Space.
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Post by Rhiannon on Jul 13, 2005 14:46:20 GMT -5
Shows you how long it's been since I've seen it then...
And I'd have to say that it's Willy's personal paradise then, unless he also states otherwise in the song, because he doesn't seem to care what everyone else thinks.
As for the "Must-See" movies... I would think that the only movies that need to be on that list are ones like "Memento" (my current obsession) and uh... ok... I just think everyone must see Memento.
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Post by The Movie Mark on Jul 13, 2005 15:42:14 GMT -5
I would replace it [Seven] with The Usual Suspects, though that's not really a thriller. Ah yes, plus, Stephen Baldwin is in it! With his best movie role to date. A fact that will probably remain true for quite some time.
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Post by MsCali on Jul 13, 2005 17:00:04 GMT -5
Heh...a fact that will probably remain true for all time at this rate.
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